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Dear AFIX Members,<br>
Reply below, inline, please!<br>
Thanks.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 12/09/2024 à 23:13, Nishal Goburdhan
a écrit :<br>
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<pre wrap="" class="moz-quote-pre">On 12 Sep 2024, at 5:13, Sylvain BAYA wrote:
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<pre wrap="" class="moz-quote-pre">d. i. which may allow us to authorize an
eligible voter (i offer to do it for CAMIX
if agreed) who have not yet cast its
vote to vote one side;
d. v. seems to validate my *forced*
understanding of d. i.
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<pre wrap="" class="moz-quote-pre">that does not sound reasonable to me.
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Hi Nishal,<br>
Thanks for your reply, brother :-)<br>
...i could easily agree.<br>
In fact, what i wanted to show, with these <br>
observations, is that our book is really open <br>
to interpretations and it appears to not <br>
providing clear guidance, for our regular <br>
decisions.<br>
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<pre wrap="" class="moz-quote-pre">if you want to allow a single additional vote, then you would have to open this up to anyone else that didn’t vote for whatever reason.
*every* exchange member (?) is eligible. and
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The idea in one *single* additional/volunteer <br>
vote, (sure: if allowed/agreed), is to have a kick <br>
mean to *tie-break*; and fix the problem later.<br>
<br>
...a question i have is: <br>
What's actually allowed? (AoA speaking.)<br>
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<pre wrap="" class="moz-quote-pre">since we don’t have - and will hopefully *never* have af-ix fees - that will always be the subset of IXPs that are in our region. (until, af-ix gets members from out of region)
polling the entire af-ix list, for that subset of peers isn’t a scalable way to solve this.
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Nishal,<br>
...i fully support/agree to and *second* all these <br>
foundational ideas; which, imho, we should just <br>
agree to be[come] *in-variants*!<br>
<br>
You may already know that this very topic have <br>
been discussed during the last AGM ;-)<br>
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...and some of the participants tended to follow <br>
the reverse path; therefore, maybe (to the BoD) <br>
we simply shouldn't move forward with such a <br>
disruptive initiative; before obtaining a go based <br>
on a clear consensus from the *members*.<br>
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a key point to the Working operations of any volunteer organisation, is that the mechanics are easy to operate. if you make this complicated to use, you’ll quickly lose volunteers.
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Great lesson learned, which i'm still trying to <br>
fully apply. Many thanks, for sharing it once <br>
more, brother! <br>
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<span style="white-space: pre-wrap">As a *community-based* association of real </span><br>
<span style="white-space: pre-wrap">volunteers, we certainly have an opportunity </span><br>
<span style="white-space: pre-wrap">here, to try to fix </span><span
style="white-space: pre-wrap">the</span><span
style="white-space: pre-wrap"> building's</span><span
style="white-space: pre-wrap"> structure... </span><br>
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<span style="white-space: pre-wrap">If this makes sense :-/
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<pre wrap="" class="moz-quote-pre">The board is deliberating on the way forward and will provide an
update soon. The Articles of Association does not clearly cater for
this situation so we may propose an amendment to clarify the procedure
to follow in such cases going forward.
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<pre wrap="" class="moz-quote-pre">i would suggest:
- is it a *requirement* that you have this additional candidate? for example, substantively affect your quorum?
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AoA (Article of Association) speaking, the answer is:<br>
No!<br>
Because of 4. a. ii.! and, you may want to read 4. a. iii. 2. <br>
plus 4. a. iv. also. See below, please:<br>
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<quote><br>
4. Board of Directors<br>
a. Composition<br>
i. The Board shall consist of willing natural persons with a
demonstrated interest in<br>
the well-being of the company and the Internet ecosystem.<br>
ii. The Board shall comprise *no less than six* and *no more
than nine* Directors.<br>
iii. Each Director shall be either:<br>
1. Elected by the Membership at a General Meeting according to<br>
procedures laid down by the Board (an “Elected Director”).<br>
2. Appointed by the Board to fill a vacancy in the number of
Directors (a<br>
“Co-opted Director”).<br>
iv. The Elected Directors and Co-opted Directors shall together
be known as the<br>
“Directors”.<br>
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In other hand, there may be no worry! as the <br>
BoD is allowed to simply *Co-opt* right now <br>
one of those two known or any other one of <br>
their choosing :-)<br>
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<pre wrap="" class="moz-quote-pre">- can you simply move ahead with the people you have now, and, at your next election, just elect one more person
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Sure! they can actually even do more...<br>
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...what they can *not* actually do (AoA speaking) <br>
is: to *Co-opt* both candidates :-)<br>
...see somewhere above as it's stated in section 4. a. ii..<br>
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<pre wrap="" class="moz-quote-pre">.. or *MUST* you have a third seat filled immediately?
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*MUST* <br>
...is not appropriate! imho; again, AoA speaking.<br>
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<pre wrap="" class="moz-quote-pre">this seems a positive way to move forward, and still respecting openness and transparency, whilst you deliberate a long-term. but easy to apply, fix.
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This is fine and i could agree to fully support <br>
this *motion*, even to *second* it ;-)<br>
Alongside, have you seen the [*] following <br>
alternative?<br>
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Please ask the two candidates to discuss
the matter, reach an agreement and
communicate their common decision
with us; by three days ;-)
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Shalom,<br>
--sb.<br>
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<pre wrap="" class="moz-quote-pre">—n.
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